The Resale Dancewear Business Idea

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Well, hello, this is Kimberly. It's episode 339, and I'm so glad that you're here today because you are going to get inspired. You are going to learn that no matter what season of life you're in, you can pursue your dream. I have my very special guest on, Sarah St. Clair, who I met about four years ago when she had first heard the podcast, found me on Google, and then joined one of my programs and then was in Grow Getters with us. And I got to know her and see how much passion she had, even for that first business that she started. So you're going to hear her story about how she started a resale dance wear business because we all know dancewear for especially girls is so expensive, y'all. All the shoes and the leotards and the tights and costumes and all the stuff. So she had an idea for a business to do resale dancewear. So she started that. But during that business, as she was building that which she still has today, she felt a calling for something more. She had always wanted to start a women's retreat at our church. So today, you're gonna hear how she did it, even though she has six daughters, was homeschooling them and doing all the things, right? And she still was able to do it her way. This episode is proof that you can build a business your way and you have to realize that you can be successful on your terms, right? You don't have to build an$80 billion business. You don't have to be a Steve Jobs, you don't have to be an Elon Musk. You can just start a business your way in the most simple form possible, even in this busy season of your life, because if anyone's busy, it's been Sarah with six girls that she's homeschooling. So you get to hear her story. Please listen all the way through because she shares so many nuggets of good information. And if you've ever thought about starting a retreat, this is going to be great information for you too. But if you haven't even thought of starting a retreat and it's not even part of your business, it is still going to teach you so many business lessons and how to think through this process of starting a business or building a business and keeping it very simple so that you can continue to do it in this season of your life. And who knows, maybe there will be a season coming up where you have even more time to put in to your dream. So that's it. I hope y'all love it and enjoy it. All of Sarah's information is down below. My information is down below too. I can help you with your business, your new podcast, whatever you may be working on. I would love to help you. And you can check it all out at Kimberlybrock.com. Make sure you hit subscribe to this podcast. I know so many of you listen and value this podcast, but you've never actually hit follow or subscribe. If you would do that today, that would mean the world to me. Okay, that's it. On to the episode. Hello, Sarah. I cannot tell you how excited I am to have you here on the show. You are superwoman to be. I respect you so much for all you have done. And I'm ecstatic to share you with the world so they can see too that you can define success differently, which is a quote from you, and you can pursue your passion and your business your way. So, Sarah, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Oh my gosh, I am just absolutely over the moon, delighted to be here. Like it's literally a bucketless dream. And I just, yeah, I like seriously. I remember back when I started listening to your podcast and then had started my first business. You like talked about me in one of your podcasts. And I like squealed into like in the van, driving down the road. The girls are like, what, mom? And like, she's talking about me. And I like posted it on Facebook. I sent it to my friends. And so yeah, now to actually be on your podcast and just yeah, so delighted to be here.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Well, I'm glad. It's such an honor for me as well. And yes, I have sprinkled a little bit about you in probably several episodes. And I know in Growgetters, yeah, I was loving talking to you. And we'd been on our group calls and just I think you're such a shining example of, you know, building a business during a season of life that may seem so busy, but you still feel that tug at your soul. You feel that calling to do something. And there's a way you can do it that doesn't take all the time in your life, that doesn't take away from the things that are important to you, but allows you at least to have that outlet and to pursue it. Right. So that's what I wanted to talk about today and share with everyone what you have done. I would gladly award you probably the most busy mom award. Like nobody can outdo you on this one. Like I literally am amazed all the time. But what's amazing to me is, you know, sometimes when people say you're busy and you do this, that maybe that has a negative connotation that you're neglecting things. And I think it's quite the opposite with you. Like, I feel like you have so many intentional things that you're doing in your life that are so admirable, but you're still able to fit in the things that you feel called to do even outside of your family. So we were gonna talk about that today. I think it's it's super interesting. So for all of you listening, you cannot say that you are too busy to pursue your dream in a way that can fit in your life if you really feel the tug in your soul. Sarah's gonna prove it today to you. So I hope everyone walks away with that, that it can be done your way and you have to define success differently. So let's start out. You and I met, gosh, well, even before we met, you were starting a business or did you already have your clothing resale? The name.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

So the name had like come to me twice upon a tutu. And I was like, man, now I have no excuse not to start this business because the name is too cute not to. So I had been wanting to start a secondhand dance where I have six daughters, and they were all taking dance classes, and you know, they outgrow stuff within a month sometimes, or at least, you know, twice a year, you're having to go buy new tap shoes, new jazz shoes, new Leos, and the ones that they have still look basically brand new, and it's just crazy. That's why twice upon a tutu like started, just I couldn't get it out of my head. And so I I personality-wise, I am not a go-getter. Like people would think with all the things that I do, wow, she must be a type A personality, like so organized. No, I am like very over, I overthink everything. I am totally procrastinator. I was always chronically late until I had a job where I had to be 15 minutes early. So, like, you would not have looked at my personality profile and said, Oh, she would be a great business owner. But I I just had to had to do it. And so I'm like, I better get help if I'm supposed to do this. So I looked up a podcast. Like, is there a podcast I could listen to? Because I love listening to podcasts. And I was like, starting a business podcast, and your podcast popped up. And like literally up a podcast. Yes. And literally that week, like I just started listening and heard you just say, like, if you have something you want to do, and God's put that dream in your heart, you have no excuse not to do it. And you can do it afraid, you can do it messy, but you have to do it. And I just felt like you were talking right to me. So I jumped out and we started it.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

That's so sweet. Yeah. And there you were. So that was probably what, like 2020, maybe? Was that COVID?

SPEAKER_02 8:27

So no, the year that I started the business was 2022. The so like it's twice upon a tutu, and the year I started it was 22.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

And so tutu, like, I just thought that was hilarious. Yes. Yeah, you're like, that was meant to be, that's amazing. So your mission for twice twice upon a two to would you share that with everyone? I think it's probably kind of at least twofold, but I would love to hear you share that. So it's really people that yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Yeah, to help people that can't afford that all the brand new dance wear stuff to still have their kids feel good, to look professional and present themselves professionally in the dance studio and on stage, but at like a fraction of the cost. So, and then also it helps to pay for my kids' dance and dance here. So you need new shoes. Now I can go shopping in my own store for my yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

It's for selfish reasons.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Yes. I don't know how you did six girls putting them through a dance. I have one that has been in dance for a very long time and it's a fortune. It's an absolute fortune. And then, yes, the clothes and the clothes are important so that they feel good, but also too, just the fact sometimes they're in those dance rooms at practice and they can feel less than if they don't have certain, you know, looks or they just don't feel confident. So it's just goes a long way.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

And as a teacher, like I know that there's like a different quality to like Copizio and block, tap shoes, ballet slippers, those are a whole different level of quality than what you get at Target or Walmart or whatever. And so even like I've started making little videos to help make people aware and even like show them like this is a cheap tap shoe. And look how thin the tap is. But this is decent quality tap shoe. This is why it's$40 more expensive or whatever. But then, you know, it's I sell it for half that cost, but it still has so much life in it. So I'm helping people get access to that better quality stuff. So I named it a boutique twice upon a two-to Dancewear boutique, because it is, I try to sell mostly the upscale stuff. Right. The higher higher name brands for less cost.

A Calling To Encourage Women

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yeah. Well, what a wonderful mission. I love that. And so it brings me to the next cool thing that happened in your life. So while you were, you know, building that business, you had also been, as I said earlier, in my group program called Grow Getters, and we would be on Zoom calls. And every now and then you would drop a little nugget that you had been thinking about starting some type of Christian retreat or women's retreat, and you were trying to piece it together in your head. And I kind of saw your evolution of like, this is what I feel my calling is. Like, I've always wanted to do this, but it feels so grand. I don't know how I do it. And then you kind of would go through the self-doubt. And then, like, do I really have time to do this? And this is normal. This is what so many of my listeners go through. So, all of you listening that are feeling these things that Sarah has felt know that it's okay and it's normal. But this is what she did about it. She kept thinking about it. And then she kind of would drop the little nuggets to us in the group that like she was thinking about, and everyone would just kind of stop and be like, Well, why aren't you doing that? What's going on? Like you feel this tug at your soul. And so share a little bit about that with us, Sarah, because there's people out there right now that are listening that feel a tug at their soul or they feel a higher calling to do something. And I would love to share for you to share your experience with that.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Yeah. So since the youngest, I remember even as a teenager, having deep conversations with like my mom's friends and just being able to encourage them and share like a verse of scripture or just some deep thought that God gave me. I don't know. I tend to be just a deep thinker and I love to have deep conversations. So I just always felt this pull towards like wanting to encourage women. And the Lord just really unlocked a key in me when I finally realized how much he loved me and that his love then gave me permission to not be in competition with other women. And I didn't have to worry about what they thought of me or if they liked what I was wearing or if I was cool or not, because I tended to always be like a little bit of on the edge of things. I wasn't really like the cool kid. I was homeschooled, I was nerdy. And so I had a lot of like personal insecurities that held me back from like being very open with women or with my peers, even. But when I just like realized like this isn't a competition, like they they're as insecure as I am. Then I just wanted to like be like, hey, I need someone to tell me that I'm loved, that God has a reason for me being here on earth and that I can do it, even if I have insecurity. And so I'm like, oh, just the way Kimberly did that for my business, I could turn around and do that for women in their spiritual life. And so God just was like, I think you should start a podcast about that. And I have a lot of friends who have gone through really hard things, sudden death of a spouse or a child, or you know, just a shocking divorce that they came out of the blue passing away of a parent early on in life, or whatever. And the more I thought about it, all of like so many of them seem to be the most joyful people. I'm like, how are the most joyful friends of mine, the most peace and content friends, the ones who have gone through the hardest stuff in life? So that's what motivated me to start the podcast was to interview these friends and find out the key for them of like, what why do you still believe in God? Like, I think I would really question my belief in God and his goodness if he asked me to walk that road. And and starting to interview them, it was just amazing to find out how God showed up for them in those moments. And I just wanted their stories to be presented to the world and to encourage other people going through those seasons that they're not alone in what they're suffering through and that they too can make it to the other side of like really difficult seasons of life. So that's why I started the the podcast, Sisters Renewed. And then it turned into wanting to be face to face with women and like actually hug them and be able to pray with them face to face and tell them face to face, like some of these encouraging things.

Designing A Retreat That Feels Restful

SPEAKER_01 16:36

So it's absolutely beautiful. It's just such a beautiful thing and it is a calling, and it's such a gift you have. And I can just tell how empathetic, sympathetic, and loving you are, and and just how God is speaking through you and has given you these gifts to be able to walk alongside those who may be hurting or in pain and to encourage them. So I think it's absolutely beautiful to witness. And so you you have the podcast, Sisters Renewed, and then you decide I want to see them in person. So how do you then start taking action on that? So for anyone listening that's been wanting to do in-person type of events, which by the way, is a huge need right now, a massive need. We are so connected, but we are so disconnected in this world. And people are yearning for community and real life time together. So hint to everyone out there, if you've had a little tug at your soul that you want to do something in your community, whatever it is, to play sports, to gather people for any kind of thing, I think it's wonderful for right now. But, anyways, for you, so how did you go from that moment of, okay, now I have this yearning to see them in person? Then what did you do?

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Yeah. So I had to find place and I got just like my husband made sure he was on board with it, and then got a few friends that I could bounce ideas off of and stuff and start like dreaming together about okay, if we're gonna invite women into a place, like what does that look like? What would make it different than anything else that is offered? A lot of churches have women's conferences or they're, you know, ladies' day at church or whatever. But there were things about those different experiences for me as more of an introvert, that I always felt lost in the giant crowds of people and the big, like it was like one message after another message without time to process. And I'd come home feeling more overwhelmed than renewed from a lot of these things. And so we just started brainstorming what what time would look like. And so we've put in time for people to process things. I had to get like a worship team to lead worship times, and so I just started breaking it all down into basically categories and then defining what I pictured would be like a a neat, neat way that would make people really want to come. So we have like goodie bags that we buy goodies, intentional that go with the theme of the retreat that we give them. We've started painting journals. So we'll order journals off Amazon that are like blank, and we always paint the front of them with a butterfly because butterflies are my part of my logo for Sisters Renewed. Butterflies are my reminder that God loves me, and so they're really special to me. So we've just used those. So yeah, and then we pick like a color theme. I have a friend that loves to decorate and she's very good at it. And so I just like give, I tell her, this is the word theme for this retreat. What color do you think of? Or what color palette do you think of? And then we just go from there with decoration stuff. I think the biggest thing is realizing that like simplicity is like it doesn't have to be as elaborate as what our mind can can think it has to be. Even with decorating, I found that simple decorations on the table can still elevate it if it's done, if it's done well. So, and then a lot of that stuff can go from one retreat to the next, like greenery. You know, I buy a couple of greenery things on sale at Hobby Lobby, but now I have like a collection, you know, that all goes in a bin, is all Mark Sisters renewed, it goes into storage and it can be pulled back out. I have a few arches now that I've bought, like one arch for the retreats. But then my daughter got married in October and she wanted more arches. She had this like dream for her wedding. So we bought two more arches. I'm like, it's an investment. I can use it for my retreat. So now I have three arches that I can use. So it's great spins. And five more daughters that will be getting married at some point. So I can't.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

I can't. I mean, I'm just thinking about all of this. I'm like, how, but what a joy. Now, fun fact this is off the subject, but you know, you have six daughters, but how many kids did you tell me before that you really wanted?

SPEAKER_02 22:00

I really wanted 10. I don't know why 10. Wanted 10. I really did. I still would love to adopt twin boys.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Oh. And then get to experience that, all that rambuctiousness of boys. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

They're a whole different beast. I think I might be getting too old for that, though. Like to even like even to adopt them. I'm just like, I don't know if I have the energy for that. But to start at the baby stage again. But yeah, I know, right? Yeah. If God asked me to, I wouldn't say no.

Venues Food And Keeping Costs Low

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Then you will. You will obey. Well, for the business side of your retreat, I know there's so much heart into it and why you wanted to do it and your mission and caring for them. But there is a business side to it, right? And like you said, you said reusing the different decorations, having tasteful, just simple decorations. How do you deal with like the music, the food, and the venue? How does that come into play for your cost? And what have you done to get creative to keep costs down?

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Yeah. So I say I got lucky, but of course, you know, God provided the place that my husband runs a theater company at allows us to use the theater space. They have event space that they rent out, but they allow me to use that space free of cost. And so that's just been a huge blessing. And so another reason why I was like, I can't really say no, but but yeah, like finding that event space. There are a lot of like city halls, creational places in in every city, really, that I think, you know, you could rent that space. I had started doing the retreats like a Friday night into a Saturday, but we found that putting it all on Saturday works better for like for renting a space than we can decorate it the night before and come in on Saturday morning, it's all set and ready. We've had a good night's sleep, and then we can do the retreat and just go from there. So but yeah, and then like finding finding donors for like the food. We've checked with some restaurants to get deals on like catering stuff, which like we haven't done that a whole lot. We tend to make a lot of our food just because my husband likes to cook. So I'm I'm also blessed that way. So he's like, You want spaghetti this time? I'll I'll make our homemade spaghetti, my mom's recipe. I'm like, yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yes, you're like, yes, and yes. That's so awesome. Oh my gosh, y'all are such a team. You have to be with that many kids and everything going on. You uh teamwork makes a dream work. So yeah, that's wonderful. I love that. And then as far as like, you know, figuring out your your ticket prices. So for anyone out there that's listening and is like trying to figure out like how much do I charge for my retreat? What do I do? How did you did you have to experiment? What did you do to get to a price that you feel comfortable with?

Pricing Lessons And Why Free Fails

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Yeah. So I was mentioning, like, I've I've gone all across the board with pricing, trying to see if the price really affects people registering or not registering, coming, not coming. So the first retreat that I had, I charged, I think probably the highest. I think I charged like around$120 a ticket. And I I said, how much do we pay for a meal normally? Like if we're gonna go buy a meal. And so like$10 per meal. So it ended up being like$30 for food and then$10 for the goodie bag. And I just kind of separated each category, like how much would I think that a inspirational speech that I'd be willing to pay for an inspirational speech? And so put that in there, how much would we pay for a concert ticket, you know? And so I just kind of divvied it out and then added it together to come up with a ticket price. And then when I went less on the ticket price, it didn't change the amount of people that came. It's always been around the same, the same amount of people, even when I think one year we were like, let's just make it free and see if a bunch of people will come if it's free. And it still ended up being right about 20 people that signed up and came. So, and I and then I was out all that money. So I'm like, no to sell. Like, and I had another business coach that was like, Yes, please promise you will never do another retreat for free, like ever again. Don't deep. I said, okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

It's yeah, and it's hard. Like when you're trying to price an experience, it it causes a lot of mind drama, right? We know what certain products are worth, but what is an experience worth? And it it's very hard. And then I think it is so fascinating that you have tried all different prices. I love that you did that. So now no one else really needs to do all that. Just pick a price and go and see, you know, how that is working, if it's profitable or not, and just go from there because when people want the experience, the pricing becomes irrelevant. Even when it's zero, the pricing becomes irrelevant. So, point, point well taken that we all need to stop the mind drama about the pricing. And in fact, I'd done a recent podcast episode on this. Now I can't remember which one it was, but it was within the last probably five or six episodes. Y'all can see that lowering your price doesn't necessarily make you more valuable or bring you more clients. It sometimes can even do the opposite because then people make something in their mind about the quality of what's being offered, and then they judge it the other way. Like, oh, this is enough, maybe it's not worth my time. Right. So, so with that, what do you foresee as like the the pattern that you are the intervals that you're gonna hold these retreats? What seems to work out for this season of your life for you?

SPEAKER_02 29:06

Yeah. So at first I was just like, oh man, if these go good, I'm just gonna do one like every month or every three months or something. But then I looked at my calendar and I was like, that is just not what can happen. So I found that doing one in January is a lovely time for people. There's they're thinking about the new year and wanting to start the new year fresh. And so renew retreat, it just it just fits for January to kind of reset to give people some encouragement and kind of set their soul with new hope and motivation for the coming year. And then we do a retreat in June when life, all the craziness of you know, school and all of that has come come down. And so I always do my retreat right before I go on vacation in June. So I'm not thinking about it on vacation. Like it's been tempting sometimes to be like, oh, it that that weekend after vacation looks real open. But I knew that I would just be thinking about it the whole vacation about the retreat. So I do the retreat and then go on vacation.

Planning Tips Deadlines And Volunteers

SPEAKER_01 30:28

So they're very smart. See everyone listening, you can pattern this around your life in a way that fits. So I love that you did that. I think that's super smart. It's just amazing that you've done this. And I know so many lives have been touched, dare I say, changed from what you're doing. And I think that that's amazing. What tips do you have for my listeners out there that are, you know, struggling? Again, they feel that tug at their soul and they want to start. What are what are some recommendations for how to get started? And then once you get started, what are some thoughts, lessons learned? Anything you'd like to share with everyone listening?

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Yeah. So I I feel like taking time to put a date on the calendar for yourself to say, this is when I'm gonna plan the retreat, or this is when I'm gonna meet my friends and we're gonna brainstorm about it. You just have to put it on the calendar, even if it's just you and yourself. Like, cause I procrastinate. And so if I don't put it on my calendar that this Friday at six o'clock, I'm sitting down with my notebook and I'm gonna plan the next retreat, then it's just out there. And and it ends up stressing me out because I'm just always thinking about it, but not doing anything about it. And the more that happens, the more you get in your head and think, see, I'm not good at this. I can't do this. Look at how I even failed to plan it or whatever. So just put a date on your calendar, plan it out, make it happen, and then set deadlines for yourself. We started realizing that a lot of times we will pick the date, but then we fail to announce it ahead of time. And like getting early bird registration out there, even if people don't register, it helps make them aware of the event that's coming up and just builds like excitement and stuff. And some people won't take that early bird deal and save money, but they'll plan like, oh yeah, the next time I get my paycheck, I'm gonna register for that retreat or whatever. So I I had one person register using the early bird registration this pastime. And then everybody else waited till like a month later, when it was only like three weeks till the retreat. So it's just funny. Everyone else procrastinates like us. So you can't take like the registration ahead of time as a failure, like a month out from the retreat. Oh, nobody signed up. I guess nobody wants to come. No, they're just procrastinating, like like we do. It's okay. They're still planning to come.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Yeah, it's okay. That's what I found out.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Yeah, they last minute will just sign up.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

So and and yeah, whatever deadline you give is the deadline they're gonna meet. It's like you tell your kids to clean your room and you've got eight hours, or you have eight minutes, it's either gonna get done at the end of eight hours from now or eight minutes from now. So, I mean, it's just we're we're the same way, you know. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

So and then like during that planning session, dividing the event into categories and making sure that you find, I mean, for me it's volunteers, but if if your event is something where you feel like you can, you know, pay the the people, then you just have to add that into the ticket price to be able to pay them. But a lot of us have friends that that really do would love to help. They're feeling stuck at home doing all the mundane mom stuff or work stuff that we all just get in, whatever, but they have creative stuff in their head too. So just kind of put your feelers out and start thinking, oh yeah, that friend likes to make food. They love to bake or whatever. Like maybe I could ask them if they could make a few treats for, you know, this retreat or whatever. And like it's surprising once you get a ball rolling, it's like it that energy and that dreaming or whatever. I don't know. I've just found that it just attracts people. Like people all of a sudden, I'm like, I never knew that you were good at that. And then all of a sudden they're like telling me that they can do that. And so I've I've had a friend that I actually met through a Facebook group that's ended up being my worship leader, and she coordinates all the music. She finds the instrumentalists and the singers. We work together on picking out the music, but she's ended up being my my worship person that like heads up that team for I think the past four or five retreats now. My gosh.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

How many of you had? I didn't realize you'd had so many already.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

I feel like this one was number six, maybe. Okay. Maybe this one was five. Maybe we had done four. This is five, so June will be number six. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

June is six. Okay.

Small Rooms Big Impact

SPEAKER_02 36:04

I mean, it's just it literally is so, it just warms my heart because I yeah, it's kind of surreal when when they happen, because it's like we remember just sitting there like dreaming about, oh, that would be fun. And and I can even forget that, yeah, I've actually been doing this for a little while and it's actually working. So um it just doesn't look the way I necessarily pictured that it would. Like I tend to have big dreams. And so, you know, in my heart of hearts, like I picture a room of like a thousand women and and being able to speak to them. And I know I can already picture how I want to decorate it, and you know, having like maybe a more well-known worship leader person there. But the Lord just keeps reminding me like small is okay. Like, he didn't always minister to the thousands, he also ministered to a group of 12 or sat around the table with like a few. And so just learning to define what our success looks like and give our permission, ourselves permission to celebrate small successes instead of always thinking, oh, I still haven't gotten to that place, that big dream.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Right.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

But realizing that we're changing and growing and learning and the people that were touching, like for me, this last retreat ended up just being eight people that came. And yet the burdens that they brought and the way that we were able to encourage them. Like we had a few that were pastors' wives that came. And it was just what they needed. Like they needed that small environment just to share the heavy things that they're going through and to feel safe to process through that.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

I've started learning that we always like to have breakout sessions where people divide into smaller groups, even if it's a small group to start with, like 20 people, we divide into like groups of four, five, or five and let them share and process through the topic. And I'll have like key questions for them. And then we've also added like a hands-on activity to process. So this past time we painted the theme was peace. And so I bought like these little tiny canvases, and everybody painted like a word or a visual picture of peace, like to remind them of peace. Right. I think next retreat we're gonna do some charm bookmarks that my daughter has like seen as like a new trend that she found. And I was like, oh, that would go with our next retreat theme. So yeah, just having like a time for people to use their hands and and sit and chit-chat while they're doing that. Cause like whoever takes time to do that at home anymore, you know, not very many of us will sit down and be creative, but it's something that most of us at least enjoy. So you've added that to the retreats as well.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Yes. Well, well, I think that's amazing. And just everything your family is doing with your husband's theater company, Ignite Theatrical, and your podcast, Sisters Renewed, uh, your renewed retreat, your homeschooling, you're a dance instructor. I would beg to differ on your statement where you said you're not a good go-getter. When you actually are, when you are pointed in the direction that you feel called to go, you go and you do it. So I think that thought of yourself as not being a go-getter is a little misguided because I think you actually are. When you are pointed in the right direction, you're doing all these things because organizing any kind of retreat, I mean, it's, you know, like people who plan weddings and do all that. It's a major undertaking. And you're doing, you know, a lot of things. You're you're having to wear a lot of hats and pull a lot of pieces together in a certain time frame so that it's perfect for your people and it's a lot of work. But I think it's it feels part of your calling. And I know that that's what means so much to you, and that's what's important in your life. And you're doing a lot of things, and and I think you're proof that you can build anything in this season of life, and you have to let go of what everyone else's definition of success is, and you have to be at peace with what yours is and only focus on that and and say things can be bigger later. Maybe just not right now. You can't have a 500-person retreat. I'm sure you would love that, but it now it just is you've got five girls to homeschool. You're dealing with everything, you're a mother-in-law, you're teaching, you're doing all these things. So I think you are doing amazing. You are doing awesome. And uh I know your girls are so proud of you and they look up to you for all you are doing. I think it's amazing. Your husband has to think you are just wonderful and a rock star and doing God's work. And I think it's just it's amazing. So, is there anything else you would like to leave my listeners with before we go?

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Let me just say allow yourself to dream big dreams. Keep hope like alive and energized, even during the mundane, like bite-sized daily tasks. Every once in a while, just let yourself dream about what your future will look like because that keeps you like motivated to not give up here and now today when you're tired. But then celebrate, celebrate your small successes or when you accomplish, you know, that next thing. I think a lot of us tend to just skim over. I mean, I definitely do, you know, it's like, well, I did that, you know, like now, now the next thing, or whatever, but take take time to eat some ice cream, take a bubble bath, take a walk, listen to a good book or whatever feeds your soul. Like, just be like, I deserve this because I did another really hard thing. So don't be afraid to step out there. Kimberly says it all the time on her podcast: like, simple, simple, simple. Keep it simple. What's the simplest way that you can do this? And like it really is, has been the key for me because I like to complicate things and I'm a detail-oriented person. And so I can get so bogged down in the details that it just keeps me spinning in a circle instead of getting out of that circle and stepping forward and moving in the right direction. So that I think is like one of the most important things. It's just do it simple, do it messy, but do it.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Yeah, I I agree. Couldn't have said it better myself. I love this so much. Sarah, you're such an inspiration and You're so encouraging. And I just have to thank you so much for being on the show for everyone listening. Again, her podcast is Sisters Renewed, and she offers her renewed retreats in Greenville, South Carolina. And if you have a chance, check her out. I'll have all the links below to her podcasts, Instagram, everything, so you can follow her and be inspired and encouraged as well. So thank you so much, Sarah. This was a blast, and I'm so thankful. Now this episode may be over, but our relationship does not have to end here. Head on over to Kimberlybrock.com, and yes, you can get more valuable information for your journey. And you know what? You don't need to go through this alone. I would love to help you. Thank you so much and have a great day. Bye.